Health Packs available for defenders but not offense position

[Maulwurf]

Does anyone know the rationale for having health packs out for defenders only? Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, only tends to make life a bit more complicated in the heat of a battle. The most recent change to show remaining count with the packs is a nice touch which certainly does a bit of streamlining. why only for defenders?

[alexian]

Re: Health Packs available for defenders but not offense position

Because of the outrage on forum when the hp / ap were introduced in the war field. This way, the offense can no longer "accidentally" use them.

[Metalstorm]

Re: Health Packs available for defenders but not offense position

Because of the outrage on forum when the hp / ap were introduced in the war field. This way, the offense can no longer "accidentally" use them.

But unless it can somehow prevent defenders in the wrong building from healing it remains an ineffective solution to a problem that shouldn't exist.

I'm not sure if this is being done already, but removing the icons from defenders once their building has been destroyed could help.

[Xcali1985]

Re: Health Packs available for defenders but not offense position

But unless it can somehow prevent defenders in the wrong building from healing it remains an ineffective solution to a problem that shouldn't exist.

I'm not sure if this is being done already, but removing the icons from defenders once their building has been destroyed could help.

Lowering the amount of players with access lowers the chance of it being hit.

[Metalstorm]

Re: Health Packs available for defenders but not offense position

Lowering the amount of players with access lowers the chance of it being hit.

That's a given, but it only makes a difference if a significant number of active players are in offensive positions and without crunching any numbers I'd be willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of active players are in defensive positions.

I like the idea of giving defenders easy access to packs as anything that can help prevent defenders from having to sit in the hospital constantly refreshing is a welcome change. But I think that thus far the implementation has been poor.

A "solution" that crates more problems than it solves is never a good solution.

[alexian]

Re: Health Packs available for defenders but not offense position

But unless it can somehow prevent defenders in the wrong building from healing it remains an ineffective solution to a problem that shouldn't exist.

Its pretty hard for the devs to know where a team is actually hitting. They could also be hitting 2 buildings in the same time, trying to see which defender is less attentif.
Leaving the icons defenders only I think is just fine.

I'm not sure if this is being done already, but removing the icons from defenders once their building has been destroyed could help.

This is actually a good proposal. You should put it in the appropiate section or you can directly send them a mail with the ideea.

[Chaos A.D]

Re: Health Packs available for defenders but not offense position

Maybe move the heal to top close to refresh and stats buttons

[Aprilwine]

Re: Health Packs available for defenders but not offense position

I'm sorry, this whole thread has had me confused for over a week. Is it the fact of offensive players using HPs? Are offensive players using HPs and APs to heal after dying to return fire? Is the OP a defender and complaining about others using HPs when he is the one under fire?

We can't limit the HPs and APs to Enforcers and Titans alone. What I think needs to happen is better communication between the empires eithics on when it is ok to use those packs. The fact they are on the main war grid is a blessing from having to camp hospital in order to use HPs. That was insane back in the day.

No such thing as accidental useage of HPs and APs. They are fine where they are as long as you close down the chat box completely. If not you may accidentaly tag one of the buildings close to either the HP or AP. Other than that if a Assassin is last man standing he should have full option of using a HP to hold building. This shouldnt be up for debate. Then again I guess you have players that use those packs to last longer to hit targets and I've given my opinion on how I would handle them instantly in previous threads

[Xcali1985]

Re: Health Packs available for defenders but not offense position

I'm sorry, this whole thread has had me confused for over a week. Is it the fact of offensive players using HPs? Are offensive players using HPs and APs to heal after dying to return fire? Is the OP a defender and complaining about others using HPs when he is the one under fire?

We can't limit the HPs and APs to Enforcers and Titans alone. What I think needs to happen is better communication between the empires eithics on when it is ok to use those packs. The fact they are on the main war grid is a blessing from having to camp hospital in order to use HPs. That was insane back in the day.

No such thing as accidental useage of HPs and APs. They are fine where they are as long as you close down the chat box completely. If not you may accidentaly tag one of the buildings close to either the HP or AP. Other than that if a Assassin is last man standing he should have full option of using a HP to hold building. This shouldnt be up for debate. Then again I guess you have players that use those packs to last longer to hit targets and I've given my opinion on how I would handle them instantly in previous threads

An Attacker having to go into a building to heal is no biggie. Someone holding a building dealing with lag is another story. The quick hit buttons should stay for defenders only.

[Aprilwine]

Re: Health Packs available for defenders but not offense position

An Attacker having to go into a building to heal is no biggie. Someone holding a building dealing with lag is another story. The quick hit buttons should stay for defenders only.

I guess this is still where I'm confused. I have a lv800 Enforcer that sometimes goes Sniper but I'm still the main defender of that building. Why is it that you want defenders only being able to access the main screen hot buttons? Are there that many players that abuse the easy access of the APs and HPs? What is more important to me would be the main war grid showing the amount of tokens remaining on the nuke for prep but I degress, still unsure why it is important for only defenders to have access to the hot buttons on the war grid. If I'm in Sniper spec and holding the building it is a very nice thing to be able to stay on the war grid to make some sniper shots at the enemy and only having to exit that building to the war grid to heal if need

[alexian]

Re: Health Packs available for defenders but not offense position

If you are Sniper but in a defender position you do get access to the "hot buttons". There is no distinction between classes, only between you location in a building.

[Aprilwine]

Re: Health Packs available for defenders but not offense position

If you are Sniper but in a defender position you do get access to the "hot buttons". There is no distinction between classes, only between you location in a building.

I agree full heartedly Alexian, from what I'm seeing posted in this thread are some players don't want a Sniper to have access to the hot buttons...this is what I'm confused about.

[Xcali1985]

Re: Health Packs available for defenders but not offense position

I agree full heartedly Alexian, from what I'm seeing posted in this thread are some players don't want a Sniper to have access to the hot buttons...this is what I'm confused about.

That's not what I said. It position not class. It's about holding the building.

[ApocLypstk]

Re: Health Packs available for defenders but not offense position

I'm with April on this. The quick buttons and now the count showing how many are left is a huge benefit to healers. It was way worse, and more chance to lag when you had to get into the hospital then into a bunker. If the problem is you can't trust your defenders not to heal then maybe they shouldn't be your defenders.

I did like the idea that once a building has fallen then that buildings defenders don't see the packs. Not sure if that could be implemented but I'd be down with that.

But like April, in my empire of people keep "accidentally" taking packs, they don't get to play in the sandbox long.

[Quaranj]

Re: Health Packs available for defenders but not offense position

I'm fine with this as is though the button placement can be an issue. Before when they were visible to anyone we had a player with a tiny screen who couldn't get into 7 without taking an ap in the attempt.

I have a small screen device as a backup. Everything is too packed together on them. Go to back out of a building and wnd up in your lt screen. Go to clear that sp flash, end up with the money popup.

That is my backup device - I can't imagine what it is like for those who play on small screens regularly.