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    Re: The issue with France heist event

    More logic, nice.
    Quote Originally Posted by tambunan View Post
    Different folks different strokes, different builds different psyches. After all we're all on the same boat aren't we? Pushing other/rocking the boats too much would cause the ship to flip.
    Further logic, double nice.
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    As for what makes this event good is most veterans have a mini or two. This is where veterans can feel young again while boosting thier minis faster than the normal game allows. Also the cash payout is nothing to scoff at for vets and newcomers alike. All in all its mini events like this that cater to the newcomers and the main quarterly events that benifit the veterans or paying customers. I support this event and others down the road like it and think we shouldnt compare the level power between our minis or newcomers to accounts that have been built for over 3 years...the comparision shouldnt be there
    The same amount of FP i used for heists, 17 refills which is equal to 170 fp will guarantee me not only an epic as time goes on but a rare lt as well with the bonus of EXP and CASH that the crates dont give me as well as ZERO uncommon and common lts and... a mystery store in future.

    I truly love the diversity of opinions ( spenders, non spenders, medium spenders ) in the UE community.

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    I have a difference of opinion from the OP. I believe giving new players a meaningful way to catch up is for the betterment of the game. I don't want to find myself playing alone one day...

    When these players start to 'catch up' they will suffer the same diminishing returns you are currently experiencing on these features.

    Try not to think of it as you are being punished, but rather they are being given an incentive.

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    No matter how you look at this, it isn't fair to veteran players. It's all fine and dandy if low levels can get some free rares, epics (and possibly event epics) and I'm okay with that, but if low levels are getting them for free, then high levels should have a chance to get them for free too. Hell I'm okay with the huge cash/energy ratio but what I'm not okay with is the shards.

    If low level non-spenders are getting free shards, then not allowing high levels to get them without spending a fortune on every heist is absolute blasphemy. You're telling me it's fair that low levels will have free chances at frank/vice without spending, while I get nothing zilch zero for having played every day for 4 years? Seriously??? That's the thanks I get for being loyal and spending? Giving crates to non-spenders and punishing those who happened to level up (and spent hundreds on) their accounts before these came out? I would LOVE some epic shards so I can get a shot at that frank or vice. So yes this absolutely is punishing. Open your eyes people. It's not at all matter of "just letting them catch up a bit".. The devs said this event was designed to be "equal for all players." Really? Just do some simple math and you'll see that it's completely skewed towards new accs/minis.

    And it's not even by a small/moderate amount. You will literally complete the entire area for free (within like 1-2 days) on a low level LSI but on a level 1k+ LSI, you can't even get a single epic shard without spending.
    Last edited by Babaju2; 01-11-2017 at 05:19 PM.

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    Re: The issue with France heist event

    They are open.
    Quote Originally Posted by Babaju2 View Post
    Open your eyes people.
    I for one just happen to have a different view of things

    I have seen so many players get stuff that took me 4 years to get within a few months of them joining the game in my 4th year. I see new players get handouts i never did and though i silently rage ( and later whinge to Mist about it {who then provides me drinks to cool off} ), i accept it. I and some others have played this game from day 1 and we have had to accept certain things in game for the the game to survive even though we don't like it.

    Will future heists improve from this feedback? We will see. Are older players sometimes not feeling the love? Sure ( I still owe Mist money for been my therapist over the years ). I see it all as give and take really... it could also be because UE is not the only game I play and spend on ( game addict ) that makes me see positives in stuff like this even though each refill i spent per job made me grind my teeth while other players i know had it easy.

    Me likey this suggestion....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mobile Mob View Post
    I suggest increase the time to complete the heist for higher level players and players with 1000 energy and up.
    and increase the job completion % for higher energy for example if you are low level 16 energy gives 4% job completion and higher level 70 energy gives 16% job completion.
    Maybe that will even things out.
    I am just trying to give a solution to the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobile Mob View Post
    I have the same issue.
    Both my toons level 110 now level 127 are finished with the France heist.
    My main level 610 are still busy with the heist.
    I have to wait 2 hours 45 min before I can do a single job and then have to wait another 2 hours 45 min @ 4% completion.
    The job takes 50 energy and gives 63 exp.
    I read that some of the jobs require 70 energy. That is 70x3.3= 3 hours 51 min.
    I don't know if I will be able to finish before the 72 hours expire.
    My toon only has to wait 51 min before it can generate enough energy for the next job. 16 energy and gives 20 exp.
    I am grateful for the money. Both my toons have enough money to take safehouse from level 3 to level 8.

    I suggest increase the time to complete the heist for higher level players and players with 1000 energy and up.
    and increase the job completion % for higher energy for example if you are low level 16 energy gives 4% job completion and higher level 70 energy gives 16% job completion.
    Maybe that will even things out.
    I am just trying to give a solution to the problem.
    Maybe removing the time limit fixes everything, but at that point it's just another secret area with different rewards.

    I never expected this to be a "free" event where you could obtain everything without spending refills or FP. However, that's exactly what happened on my mini.

    I find it comical that the same people that were against re-releasing event LTs for others to have a chance at after a year being out, are so ok with others "catching up" now.

    This was never an issue with the regular events because it didn't scale and the investment in your character paid off.

    I like the move towards looking at a fair and balanced way of the game, making it so all players have an equal and fair shot at the ultimate prize no matter the start time. I just think this one needs tweaking on the scaling part.

    All in all though for a first run I thought it was fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xcali1985 View Post
    Maybe removing the time limit fixes everything, but at that point it's just another secret area with different rewards.

    I never expected this to be a "free" event where you could obtain everything without spending refills or FP. However, that's exactly what happened on my mini.

    I find it comical that the same people that were against re-releasing event LTs for others to have a chance at after a year being out, are so ok with others "catching up" now.

    This was never an issue with the regular events because it didn't scale and the investment in your character paid off.

    I like the move towards looking at a fair and balanced way of the game, making it so all players have an equal and fair shot at the ultimate prize no matter the start time. I just think this one needs tweaking on the scaling part.

    All in all though for a first run I thought it was fine.
    I agree with all of this - probably sums up how I feel about it most. I simply chose not to spend because of the scaling, I don't feel like I am missing out too terribly bad by choosing to do so here.

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    Re: The issue with France heist event

    The scaling issue needs a look certainly. Otherwise it's not a bad concept. But eventually the only new thing in this is the mystery token and I am hoping for a nice surprise to see what it does. Fingers crossed.

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    Re: The issue with France heist event

    Legendary Heist lt? Can't wait to see what it is
    Quote Originally Posted by Mist View Post
    But eventually the only new thing in this is the mystery token and I am hoping for a nice surprise to see what it does. Fingers crossed.

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    I like the idea of these mini events but with my build it is way too expensive to clear them. I'm lvl 1860 with 590 energy. Because i'm over lvl 1500 it cost me the most which makes no sense to me actually.
    I need 4/5 refills to only complete 1job...
    Why does your level have to matter in a energy event?

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    Re: The issue with France heist event

    This seems to be the main issue here and hopefully the Devs will improve this. My energy set up minimized my pain but pain it was non the less.
    Quote Originally Posted by o-side View Post
    Why does your level have to matter in a energy event?
    Mobile Mob had suggested a way in above posts for Devs to tweak the below format:

    Quote Originally Posted by UWE_Duke View Post
    Energy Cost:
    The Energy Cost for Job Heists is customized for individual players based on the following factors:
    - Player Base Energy
    - Player Level
    The cost doesn't scale up/down infinitely as the above two factors change.
    - 2000 Energy OR Level 1500 will reach the maximum cost.
    - 200 Energy AND Level 150 will reach the minimum cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chelsea View Post
    This seems to be the main issue here and hopefully the Devs will improve this. My energy set up minimized my pain but pain it was non the less.

    Mobile Mob had suggested a way in above posts for Devs to tweak the below format:
    Agreed. I hope they can pull some heads together and figure out what's best.

    A couple years ago it became clear that BSI was at a disadvantage in most of the events. So I knew a lot of people that abandoned it and went to LSI myself included.

    If the mini events have a chance to get super crates, there may be a bump to Super LSI which will just boost the average level of players but the variety of builds will decrease.

    I'm already contemplating going 6k energy simply because to gold star cost so much energy. If this is the format of heists then it will help here as well. Which will make it worth losing the strength.

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    So the higher levels who have the advantage in every single event in getting the most rewards and the best items are crying about level 50's leveling too fast over the course of 3 days?? Seems legit 👍🏻

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switcharoo View Post
    So the higher levels who have the advantage in every single event in getting the most rewards and the best items are crying about level 50's leveling too fast over the course of 3 days?? Seems legit 👍🏻
    Low levels are getting free chances at Frank/Vice without having to spend anything while we won't get any chance unless we spend. That's what "seems legit"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switcharoo View Post
    So the higher levels who have the advantage in every single event in getting the most rewards and the best items are crying about level 50's leveling too fast over the course of 3 days?? Seems legit 👍🏻
    And no, high levels DON'T have the advantage in "every single event." Low levels LSI level up quickly so there are quite a few events like Casino event which ALREADY cater to low levels. One of my level 160-170 minis got 200+ gold chips and an epic crate roll without spending anything while my main had to drop $50 to get it. It would be absolute blasphemy to make these "regular" and "frequent" heists completely benefit low levels with free crates and cash, and give practically nothing to high levels without spending. They definitely need to be heavily rebalanced.

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    People are talking like they're giving away a free epic crate roll after this event, Their giving away 3 epic shards. Which means it's going to take 10 events (a year?) before you can make 1 epic crate roll. By that time they won't be in a position to level very fast and will buy refills to get those last precious shards. It's actually good for business

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switcharoo View Post
    People are talking like they're giving away a free epic crate roll after this event, Their giving away 3 epic shards. Which means it's going to take 10 events (a year?) before you can make 1 epic crate roll. By that time they won't be in a position to level very fast and will buy refills to get those last precious shards. It's actually good for business
    10 heists is 3-4 months. They want to have 3-4 heists per month. And you're completely theory crafting. No real math behind this. I can tell you that at this rate my level 80 mini will absolutely easily get 1, if not 2 free epic crates, without spending a dime. It leveled from 65 to only 82-83 during this event and completed the entire heist. It's guaranteed going to get 3 more epic shards for free from each heist it does for the next 300+ levels. Still has plenty of free refills/FP that I didn't have to buy as well. Meanwhile my main will never get 3 shards (probably not even 1) from these unless I spend $20-$25+ on every heist. If I want to get a chance at an event epic then I have to spend a total of $200-$250 while low level players/minis are getting it free.
    Last edited by Babaju2; 01-12-2017 at 01:26 AM.

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    Oh I didn't realize these are going to be a weekly event 👍🏻

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    Re: The issue with France heist event

    Good event for newer players to catch up and level up also to get rare / Epic crates crates

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    I'm not quite sure why so much value is put on shards by the devs. You may get 3 epics a year doing these. That's not game breaking. The regular shards are the same trivial drop rates.

    I have 11 epics (9 1*,1 2*) in around 2 years.

    The huge amounts of cash dropping is probably more broken. Don't really need Hotwire any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babaju2 View Post
    Basically the heists are punishing to veteran/older players and give greater benefit to newer players by a huge margin. An older player is going to have to eat through refills (or fp) in order to complete all 17 jobs, but newer players are going to level up repeatedly during the event (especially since there's a high energy/xp return ratio) and get free refills for leveling up. Newer players basically don't have to spend anything to do the event and get all the shard rewards.

    I like the idea and I'm grateful for any opportunities to get rare/epic shards.. but something has to be changed next time because this simply isn't fair. All my minis have way more completion than my level 974 toon, for free.. without using any refills. While my level 974 with 2250 E has wasted refills. This is a major flaw. Higher levels shouldn't be being punished just for having played the game longer.
    Ok, I don't agree with this at all. If you're a newer player, the spanning gap is only reachable by already spending the countless amounts of cash the higher tier has. So ultimately, the newer players are screwed.

    Now, I have a lvl 560 bsi with a grand 501 energy. I've chosen to play my toon loyally and event after the scaling posted, my lvl 760 Lsi with 1950 energy STILL completed the area in few fills averaging to 1 full load of energy compared to the 2 full loads on my bsi. With that there, a higher lvl with more energy still be out my low lvl bsi thus showing that the lower lvled are still in just as much of the bigs.

    Furthermore, if you want to grow the community, you have to answer to all its people, even the little guy. That meaning, an equal/ fair~challenging environment for everyone. Give it to the lower lvls to have a chance and get actively engaged in the game to find some enjoyment out of it and in-turn they continue playing, putting money into the game and providing the next big change for all to enjoy.

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